User talk:Nutation
Hi, thanks for uploading those Hobby Products / MegaMinis images - they are all larger than the original "thumbnail" images that were actually provided by Johhny Lauck (Mr Mega Minis) years ago. I've been a bit too precious in updating these with larger images because of that. However, you added these new pictures with TAXO/SGIP blocks for Mega Minis when all of these were originally Hobby Products figures with existing images that already had their own TAXO/SGIP blocks that referenced Mega Minis in the Production History bit. TLDR: you would have saved a lot of time by just uploading the new image over the top of the old images.
(background info): in general, to keep things simple (for the user) we deliberately use one master image for a figure regardless of who produced it and that image goes on each product range page where the figure appears. This is not "simple" for wiki editors but it is simple for the user. Way back when things were not like this and I was trying to use the wiki to identify a bunch of Ral Partha figures (the main offender), I kept on finding different images of the same figure on different pages and it was not clear that these were actually the same miniature. I got very, very confused trying to decide if there was a subtle variation between them or not. It wasted my time - a lot - as a user.
Also, the Hobby Products figures were why I joined the wiki and I developed templates like TAXO and SGIP on these figures first. This means that over time as those templates evolved and my way of doing things developed I did not go back to reformat a lot of the Hobby Products image pages. So the figures you copied the templates from are likely the worst examples of using SGIP and TAXO properly! :-D Sorry about that!
- Cattwister 10:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, Cattwister, I made you do a bunch of work, though it looks like some of what you did was overdue. The SGIP did look bad, but I think the TAXO was ok.
- You have reverted "range" to Arabian Nights (Metal Magic) and "set" as whichever original Hobby Products line each was, but these are from my Mega Miniatures blister, should it not be that company's range and set? Similarly, you put the whole production history under Maker, duplicating "Production History". I don't suppose we have written guidelines.
- I could photograph the rest of my figures from the set, maybe someday. Next project, though, is to open my blister of Mega Miniatures (0428) Dwarves and get to it.Nutation 15:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, yep. That is indeed what I did. This is due to the point about the "master image" for a figure: The TAXO:Range and TAXO:Set bits are for the original release of the figure. The other releases should be noted in the TAXO:Production History bit and all the manufacturers should be listed in the TAXO:Maker bit. The TAXO:Additional Images gallery should include packaging images from all of the releases. I'll add those points to the LMWSearch SGIP guide. You are helping me think more clearly about this. 👍 - Cattwister 16:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Good job on the Dwarves. Your images are better (larger) than the previous images. But you would have saved yourself a lot of editing had you just uploaded over the top of the existing image - don't be afraid to do this if you think your image is objectively better. 😁 Then the only bits you would have had to change in the SGIP and TAXO blocks were the SGIP:Notes (you would have needed to remove the Mega Minis image credit) and the SGIP:Additional Images (this bit only for bonus points but you could have re-uploaded the original image under a new filename), and then any changes you wanted to make to the TAXO block. It is good to see someone add to the TAXO stuff, keep at it! I've also updated the LMW Search with your new images. - Cattwister 10:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only one of the dwarves had an image, the rest were just drawings cropped from the card in the blister. And I think those should be preserved as extra reference since they already exist. (That was a lot of figures crammed into one blister.) Now you have to go back to Arabian Knights (Mega Miniatures) and revert the figure codes. You had left in the Mega Miniatures codes I used, so I took guidance from that for the dwarves. I think I'm done with figure inventory now, nothing more to add. I have Castle Guard (Mega Miniatures) and Amazons (Mega Miniatures), but those are already covered.Nutation 16:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- A-ha! Arabian Knights - that's where the glitch has crept in - my bad, I should have use the HP product codes on that very first figure. I'll get it fixed. Cheers! - Cattwister 17:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only one of the dwarves had an image, the rest were just drawings cropped from the card in the blister. And I think those should be preserved as extra reference since they already exist. (That was a lot of figures crammed into one blister.) Now you have to go back to Arabian Knights (Mega Miniatures) and revert the figure codes. You had left in the Mega Miniatures codes I used, so I took guidance from that for the dwarves. I think I'm done with figure inventory now, nothing more to add. I have Castle Guard (Mega Miniatures) and Amazons (Mega Miniatures), but those are already covered.Nutation 16:29, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi and welcome to the wiki! I'm pleased to see those Ral Partha "02-958 Familiars" as they are very hard to identify. If you have any questions just ask either here on the wiki, or on the subreddit or our Facebook group. - Cattwister 04:50, 6 October 2022 (EDT)
HI, I moved your Reaper "Ametrine" to Image:Reaper-dhl-2719.jpg - Reaper produced two completely different miniatures under this name and your blister pack is the other one. :-D - Cattwister 19:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
:Thanks for proofreading--Nutation 20:04, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
Oh, great and powerful editor: I have several of Wizkids Wardlings. I think those are on-topic. If so, I will create a new page.Nutation 00:15, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
- Ha! My power derives solely from the sacred ability to DELETE. I'd not seen Wardlings before: go for it. The best way to create a new page is to put a link for it on the page where you want to navigate from, which will then appear as a red-link, click on it and you are now editing the new page. Then just copy how other WizKids pages are laid out. Obviously, in this case, the link would go on this page. - Cattwister 03:25, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
Evidently, I should be adding tags to my images. Is there a list or a syntax guide? Otherwise, I'll have to go by examples.Nutation 22:25, 25 October 2022 (EDT)
- Evidentaly, so. 😁 Actually, no one has to do this if they don't want to and it can confuse people. If you look at an image page which has been marked up then you will see two main blokcs: TAXO and SGIP. These (a) make the image pages look better and contain extra info that would otherwise be footnotes on the parent pages for an image BUT (b) they are also essential in how the LMWSearch tool interfaces to the wiki. I wrote very brief guide here: LMWSearch. Learning by example is probably easier though. I interfered with your Reaper images because the Reaper pages used to be quite messy and I am on a quest to remove all the "released: xxxx" and "NIC: since xxxx" comments from the Reaper pages and put them on the image pages but this can only be done when we have an image to put them on. So when you uploaded four new images to Reaper I was like "ob boy, more to tidy up, awesome!". I repeat though: if you find this SGIP and TAXO stuff tricky don't bother with it. Eventually someone will do it. - Cattwister 04:04, 26 October 2022 (EDT)
- Someone? Usually Cattwister 😂 I’ve just tweaked the Taxo on Image:RP-AllThingsDarkDangerous-02-958f.jpg as they need to be on a single line otherwise it introduces blanks in to the search list (check gender for others). I was you 2 years ago so keep up the good work. - Dylanpig 08:45, 28 October 2022 (EDT)
- "otherwise it introduces blanks" Oops! Someone (me) isn't stripping white space properly in his code. 🙄 - Cattwister 10:12, 28 October 2022 (EDT)
- Someone? Usually Cattwister 😂 I’ve just tweaked the Taxo on Image:RP-AllThingsDarkDangerous-02-958f.jpg as they need to be on a single line otherwise it introduces blanks in to the search list (check gender for others). I was you 2 years ago so keep up the good work. - Dylanpig 08:45, 28 October 2022 (EDT)
- Evidentaly, so. 😁 Actually, no one has to do this if they don't want to and it can confuse people. If you look at an image page which has been marked up then you will see two main blokcs: TAXO and SGIP. These (a) make the image pages look better and contain extra info that would otherwise be footnotes on the parent pages for an image BUT (b) they are also essential in how the LMWSearch tool interfaces to the wiki. I wrote very brief guide here: LMWSearch. Learning by example is probably easier though. I interfered with your Reaper images because the Reaper pages used to be quite messy and I am on a quest to remove all the "released: xxxx" and "NIC: since xxxx" comments from the Reaper pages and put them on the image pages but this can only be done when we have an image to put them on. So when you uploaded four new images to Reaper I was like "ob boy, more to tidy up, awesome!". I repeat though: if you find this SGIP and TAXO stuff tricky don't bother with it. Eventually someone will do it. - Cattwister 04:04, 26 October 2022 (EDT)
Hi, it looks like you have got the hang of adding the TAXO/INFO blocks and updating LMWSearch: well done! I have added your new images (for those familiars) to the Iron Wind Metals Direct Fantasy page as well (instead of having blank slots). I've also removed the second Imp and Dragonette image from the Ral Partha All Things Dark and Dangerous page as those images are shown on the pre-existing primary image pages. Generally, there is no reason to clutter up the gallery page with multiple shots of the same figure - users can click on the primary image to see more pictures (if this seems crazy consider that we have some primary images with multiple secondary images from different angles as well as painted examples and if we included all of those on the main gallery page then galleries would become very, very long and tedious to scroll thorough. Does that make sense? - Cattwister 19:41, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
